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Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:36 pm

Linux seems to be viewed in various places (err . . . LC HQ as well . . . ?) as a sort of
naughty little brother, to be tolerated but not given much credence.

In the light of both Windows and Macintosh making things increasingly difficult
(as well as screwing developers out of money for the 'honour' of being able to run programs on their platforms)
to get programs up-and-running, Linux may, at last, come into its own as
a desktop system (family).

I have just installed LXLE 32-bit on a 9 year old laptop that had a hiatus with Haiku OS:

https://lxle.net/

https://www.haiku-os.org/

[dumped Haiku OS after a 'bash' on a 32-bit INTEL 2006 iMac and the 686 COMPAQ
laptop because neither would boot properly:
randomly booting from an external boot disc, from the home disc, or half-booting.]

Now LiveCode 9.5.0 installed on LXLE without a backward glace, and functions just superbly as far
as I can tell from 30 minutes "spin in the wind."

BUT this:
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seems odd.

Nothing serious as such; but things might go that way if one starts attaching substacks to part of the IDE.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by bogs » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:28 pm

Heh, I noticed something similar to that when playing with the code editor and your method for splitting the window in the older IDEs I work in :D
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Ummmm.....


Of course, I haven't noticed this in the newer IDE, so it wasn't reported.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:53 pm

In "my case" (i.e. LC 9.5.0 + LXLE Linux = the latest 'thang'), this proves
that LiveCode really are a bit slapdash when it comes to their Linux offerings.

However, having stated that . . .
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looks a bit wobbly as well (MacOS 10.14.6, LC 9.5.0).

Dunno where "revFactor" is: I did install it; so that isn't really LC's fault.

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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by bogs » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:03 pm

If your talking about that super generous refactoring stack, that would likely be in plugins.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:04 pm

super generous refactoring stack
Indeed . . .

But why does it pop up "there" in the Menu?

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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by bogs » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:12 pm

If I had to guess, it is because the IDE is seeing it topLevel.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm

richmond62 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:53 pm
In "my case" (i.e. LC 9.5.0 + LXLE Linux = the latest 'thang'), this proves
that LiveCode really are a bit slapdash when it comes to their Linux offerings.
LiveCode on LXLE is community-supported. Perhaps you'd meant to write "...we devs who use this distro really are a bit slapdash..." ;)

"Linux" is not an operating system. It is a kernel, from which others add a vast variety of packages to build complete operating systems, or "distributions" ("distros").

Given the hundreds of distros out there, I know of know company that claims to support them all (enjoying Hannah Montana Linux? <g>). Like most, LiveCode has committed to official support for the most popular distros.

They've also made the source code and yours truly available to help any community members who want to expand LC to run on a broader mix of Linux packages that comprise other distros.

If you're interested, I would welcome a discussion on what might be needed for you to steward a community project to make LC on LXLE run to your satisfaction.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:57 pm

"Linux" is not an operating system.
Gosh, really, I didn't know that . . . maybe, just maybe, I don't want to be a complete pill like "you-know-who"
and rabbit on about "GNU-Linux" and so on, just as people tend not to talk about "Microsoft Windows" or
"Apple Macintosh" (well, pimply herberts do in England, I've noticed).
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:58 pm

enjoying Hannah Montana Linux?
No, sadly not . . . do tell . . . is it a bit like Miley Cyrus Linux or
Justin Beaver 'nix? :D

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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:03 pm

If you're interested, I would welcome a discussion on what might be needed for you to steward a community project to make LC on LXLE run to your satisfaction.
No, I'm not, as LiveCode IS running very well on LXLE,
as you might work out if you read my posting rather more carefully rather than
had a knee-jerk reaction to one small "crit."

What I AM SUGGESTING is that LiveCode
"might like to consider" a spot more testing on the Linux side of the universe
as there is a possibility given Macintosh's and Windows' increasing restrictions
that desktop Linux may increase its "market" share . . .

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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by richmond62 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:11 pm

LiveCode on LXLE is community-supported.
That is a most interesting statement, as I could, for the sake or argument,
pay for a commercial version of LiveCode and install it on LXLE. At which
point I could, quite legitimately, expect some sort of direct support from
the company from which I had purchased it.

I have not seen any labels on any form of LiveCode such as those on cigarette
packets warning me that running LiveCode on LXLE might be "bad for my health." 8)

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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by mwieder » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:39 pm

the "substack of" thing is, I think, also related to the fact that the Project Browser pops up with the same stack selected. I'm not sure what's going on... it doesn't seem to have to do with stack mode. I'm guessing it's just the last stack selected. And here the "selected" refers to the last plugin stack the IDE touched as it was loading the plugins.

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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by bogs » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:57 pm

That actually makes a lot of sense, I often see similar things referring to that script colorizor plugin thingie I put -hh's excellent information into. I wonder how that kid ever made out, I don't seem to see him around the forums much these days.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:21 pm

richmond62 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:11 pm
LiveCode on LXLE is community-supported.
That is a most interesting statement, as I could, for the sake or argument,
pay for a commercial version of LiveCode and install it on LXLE. At which
point I could, quite legitimately, expect some sort of direct support from
the company from which I had purchased it.
You are free to invent any personal expectations you find satisfying, but the expectations of the engine maintainers are described in the Release Notes that accompany each version.
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Re: Linux, Linux, Linux

Post by mwieder » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:22 pm

LOL - Hermann and I are working on a new version of the script colorizer plugin even as we speak.

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