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Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Mon May 25, 2026 1:00 am
by linaah
I recently tried building a complex Android app using AI Studio, and honestly, the results blew my mind. I’ve been waiting forever for the LiveCode Create release, but the output from LiveCode’s AI feels so far behind, mostly because it still falls into that basic no-code category.

LiveCode could have actually kept its user base if they just dropped that 5% royalty fee. Unfortunately, it looks like the decision has already been made. Now they’re sunsetting LiveCode Classic in 2027 and replacing it with "LiveCode Create Classic"—which, let's be real, is exactly the same thing.
We are in the AI era now. The role of a programmer is shifting from actually writing the code to reviewing AI-generated code.
It’s such a shame. LiveCode, you really made the wrong call here.

Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2026 11:21 pm
by stam
You're not wrong.
I had built a web app and subsequently an API based on livecode server for use with companion apps originally intentioned for building in LiveCode.
(The API was for CRUD operations for the same MariaDB/MySQL DB). The API worked fine, but building the mobile apps in LiveCode was long and painful.

My available time for coding is extremely limited, so I thought I'd just ask Claude Code to build the mobile apps in their native languages (SwiftUI and Kotlin/Compose). I used my web app as the basis and provided a long explanation of what I wanted, each platform took 1 day and both apps have been accepted to their respective stores. No copy/pasting, Claude Code just wrote the apps and ran them in the Xcode and Android simulators for testing and after a few revisions I was done.

Also worth noting: while i ask for the AI to implement a feature I have in mind, the AI platform analyses the whole app and immediately implements multiple things to support the requested feature that I probably would have arrived at eventually, weeks later.

I personally can't see how LiveCode can compete with this. AI is going to be more cost effective, fully native for each platform using free tooling for never-expiring apps. But the binary nature of stacks means that LC is at a disadvantage, you can't just get AI to create it for you and inevitably it results in a mess of copy/pasting.

So outside of 'fun coding', building apps is a different ballgame now and LiveCode Create needs to adapt. It could create it's own AI and is trying to do this with lCC, but will it really be better that Claude Code or Codex? I doubt it, and it feels like wasted effort when just making stacks amenable to direct editing by AI would open up so much more...

Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:32 pm
by Simon Knight
#Stam
I read this thread and then your post on another thread
In less than a working day, I got Claude Code to help me build an iOS app in SwiftUI and the same app for Android in Kotlin/Compose. End result: good looking, extremely functional, completely native apps, no half-way Motif houses.

Yes, you need a Claude subscription that comes to the same as say LCC, but the tooling is completely free. I’ve never built a polished app so quickly, let alone using platforms I’m not familiar with.
and then asked Claude AI what it "thought of your comments and what I needed to install to use Claude Code to build an application for Android. Here is its response:
I have just read the following on a forum "In less than a working day, I got Claude Code to help me build an iOS app in SwiftUI and the same app for Android in Kotlin/Compose. End result: good looking, extremely functional, completely native apps, no half-way Motif houses.Yes, you need a Claude subscription that comes to the same as say LCC, but the tooling is completely free. I’ve never built a polished app so quickly, let alone using platforms I’m not familiar with."

20:56
That tracks with what a lot of people are reporting with Claude Code lately — building genuinely native apps from scratch on platforms you don't know well, in hours rather than weeks.

A few honest notes on the claim, since forum posts like this tend to compress a lot:

"Good looking, extremely functional, completely native" is plausible for v1 of an app with a clear, bounded scope (a few screens, standard UI patterns, maybe local storage or a simple API). It gets much harder once you add things like complex animations, background processing, push notifications, App Store/Play Store compliance edge cases, or anything requiring deep platform-specific tuning.
"Less than a working day" for two full native apps (SwiftUI + Kotlin/Compose) is fast even by enthusiastic-early-adopter standards. Possible if the apps are relatively simple, or if "less than a working day" means "the AI-assisted coding part," excluding things like setting up dev environments, signing certificates, provisioning profiles, App Store accounts, etc., which often eat real time independent of how good the AI is.
The "no half-way Motif houses" line is a nice way of saying it's not some hybrid/cross-platform compromise — it's two genuinely separate native codebases. That's a real and meaningful claim if true, since cross-platform tooling (React Native, Flutter, etc.) is the usual shortcut people take specifically to avoid maintaining two codebases.
If you're thinking about trying something similar — want me to walk through what a realistic first project and time budget would look like, or anything about how Claude Code works in practice?

Yes please. For example how would I create an Android application to keep a journal? I don't need to see code but would like to know what I would have to install on my mac to use with Claude Code.

20:59

Synthesized installation requirements for Android development with Claude
Synthesized installation requirements for Android development with Claude
Good — building an Android journal app is a great first project: well-scoped, no complicated platform restrictions like iOS has, and you can see it running on an emulator without needing a physical device or any App Store approval process to test it.

What you'd need to install on your Mac
1. Claude Code itself
The recommended way now is the native installer — it's self-contained and doesn't require Node.js at all:

curl -fsSL https://claude.ai/install.sh | bash
(You can also install via Homebrew with brew install --cask claude-code if you prefer, or via npm if you already have Node.js — but the native installer is the simplest path and what Anthropic now recommends.)

2. Android development tools
This is the Android-specific part, separate from Claude Code:

Android Studio — free, from Google. This gives you the Android SDK, build tools, and the emulator (a virtual Android phone that runs on your Mac so you can test the app without an actual device).
That's really it on the Android side — Android Studio bundles everything else you need (Kotlin compiler, Gradle build system, etc.).
3. A Claude subscription
Pro tier ($20/month) includes Claude Code access and is plenty for a project like this.

4. Git (optional but recommended)
Usually already on a Mac, or installable via Homebrew. Lets Claude Code track changes and gives you version history/undo as it works.

How the actual build would go
You open Terminal, create a project folder, run claude inside it.
You describe the app in plain English — "a journal app where I can write daily entries with a date, optional photo, and tags, store them locally, and search past entries."
Claude Code writes the Kotlin/Compose project structure, builds the UI screens, sets up local storage (likely a small on-device database), and can run the build itself to catch errors.
You open Android Studio just to launch the emulator and see/tap through the app as it's built — Claude Code can often trigger builds itself, but you'll want eyes on the actual running app.
Iterate: "make the entry list show newest first," "add a dark mode," etc.
A journal app like this is realistically a same-day project — it's a bounded, well-understood app pattern (list + detail + local storage), which is exactly where Claude Code tends to perform best.

Want me to sketch out what a sensible feature scope for v1 would look like, so you're not starting from a blank page when you sit down with it?

Yes

21:02

Architected foundational feature set for mobile journaling platform
Architected foundational feature set for mobile journaling platform
Here's a v1 scope that's realistic for a day's work and gives you something genuinely useful, not just a tech demo:

Core (worth building first)
Entry list — chronological feed of journal entries, newest first, showing date and a preview snippet
New entry screen — a text field for writing, auto-saves the date/time
Edit/delete existing entries
Local storage — entries saved on the device (survives closing the app, no internet needed, no account required)
Entry detail view — tap an entry to see it full-screen
Worth adding once core works (still same-day)
Search — find entries by text content
Tags or mood tag — e.g. a simple emoji or one-word mood per entry, filterable
Photo attachment — attach one photo per entry from the camera or gallery
Basic stats — "12 entries this month," a simple streak counter
Nice-to-have, but I'd defer these
Cloud backup/sync — adds real complexity (accounts, server, conflict handling) for little day-one value
Reminders/notifications — easy in theory, fiddly with Android's permission model, easy to push to v2
Rich text formatting (bold/italic) — plain text covers 90% of journaling use cases
Biometric lock on the app — nice for privacy, but a clean add-on once the core app works
A decision worth making upfront
Do you want one entry per day (like a classic diary — open today, write, done) or unlimited entries any time (more like notes, several a day if you want)? This shapes the data model and the home screen, so worth deciding before Claude Code starts building rather than retrofitting it later.

Want me to put this into a short brief you could literally hand to Claude Code as your first prompt?

Yes

21:03

Thought for 2s
Thought for 2s
Q: One entry per day, or unlimited entries any time?
A: One per day (classic diary)

21:04

Deliberated format choice between file and inline code block
Deliberated format choice between file and inline code block
Here's a brief you can paste straight into Claude Code as your first prompt:

Project: Android journal app ("Daybook")

Build a native Android app in Kotlin using Jetpack Compose. This is a personal daily journal — one entry per day, classic diary style.

Core features:

Home screen shows today's entry (empty state with a prompt to write if nothing saved yet)
A calendar or list view to browse past entries by date
Tapping a past date opens that day's entry (read-only if it's not today, or editable — your call, but flag the tradeoff)
Only one entry allowed per calendar day — if the user already wrote today, opening "new entry" should open the existing one for editing, not create a duplicate
Entries are plain text, no rich formatting needed for v1
Local storage only — entries persist on-device, no account, no internet required, no cloud sync
Nice-to-haves if time allows, in this order:

Search entries by text content
A simple mood tag (emoji or single word) per entry, visible in the list/calendar view
One photo attachment per entry
A streak counter ("X days in a row")
Explicitly out of scope for v1: cloud backup, notifications/reminders, biometric app lock, rich text formatting.

Before writing code: propose a simple data model (what fields an entry has) and a basic screen flow, and check in with me before building.

That last line matters — it gets Claude Code to show you its plan before it starts generating files, so you can catch any misunderstanding early rather than after it's built something.

One practical note: have Android Studio installed and the emulator set up before you start this session, so you can actually launch and tap through the app as it gets built rather than just reading code.

Excellent, I will give it a try.

21:05
Good luck with it — sounds like a fun first project. If you hit snags with the install or the emulator setup, or want a second opinion on something Claude Code builds along the way, feel free to come back.

Will do.

21:06
Sounds good — enjoy building it.

Claude is AI and can make mistakes. Please double-check responses.


I really agree with the OP in asking why is Livecode even trying to compete if useful applications can be built in a day using native tools by Claude Code and even if they have developed a wonderful AI tool they still don't have a demo version. I shall be taking out a subscription to Claude Code when I get some free time because I believe what you say and it will not break the bank.

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Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:42 pm
by Emily-Elizabeth
I use Claude Cowork (Sonnet) to work on HyperXTalk and the results are fantastic. Claude is really good at C/C++ and also knows its way around the scripting language.

Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:45 pm
by stam
As I might have mentioned (can’t be bothered to re-read my post :)), the app was already built as a web app using Xojo. The API was already built, and all the design had been done. I wanted some mobile companion apps that connected to the same database (MySQL) using the existing API.

My point was that building the mobile apps in LiveCode would have taken weeks for me, as I’m not all that familiar with mobile development in LiveCode. The process was even worse in Xojo. However as the Xojo web app is text-based (ie AI just consumed it), all I needed was to provide screen shots and a directive and the apps were built natively in a day, following the logic and processes I already built into the web app.

I wasn’t saying I built the concept apps from scratch, but if you have a full-ish picture us the app to build, Claude code just build it for you with just a few interactions.

I have now built a version of the same app as a native macOS desktop, which again took a (full) day…

I should add I needed these apps for a network of hospitals and have been under pressure to produce these keeping in my mind I’m spending 12-15 hours a day in my non-coding day job… AI has been a boon…

On the plus side, I now feel the need to re-acquaint myself with Swift ;)

Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2026 6:38 am
by richmond62
This is why I am using OXT and HyperXtalk, as the type of programming I do (working with dead languages with highly complex writing systems) is not doable with AI.

OXT and HyperXtalk ARE LiveCode Community ++ IDEs with no AI whatsoever (even though HXT is being built with AI).

Create (from what I have gathered as there is still no trial version) is some sort of hybrid between LC-as-was and an AI beast: neither one thing nor the other.

Just a week ago Dr Jackson He (he of 3D QR codes) was, oddly enough, sitting at my breakfast table in the Bulgarian mountains.

He told me he uses Claude Code to do all the donkey work of programming (so he doesn't have to hire undergraduates to do that work), but that all the checking through the code still presupposed a human with a high level of understanding of the target programming language, and that 'talk to your computer and it will do ALL the work for you' was nonsense.

Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2026 10:33 am
by Simon Knight
stam wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:45 pm
I wasn’t saying I built the concept apps from scratch, but if you have a full-ish picture us the app to build, Claude code just build it for you with just a few interactions.

I have now built a version of the same app as a native macOS desktop, which again took a (full) day…
While I have yet to try Claude Code it seems that using it will also reduce the time that I spend searching my hard drive for code I know I have written but is hidden from view - yes I should keep better notes but it is what it is. Does Claude Code comment its code and could simple example apps it creates be used as way of learning a language ?
Emily-Elizabeth wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:42 pm I use Claude Cowork (Sonnet) to work on HyperXTalk and the results are fantastic. Claude is really good at C/C++ and also knows its way around the scripting language.
Do you think it could help in refactoring the IDE stacks which are tortuous to work on by hand with no documentation?

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Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2026 1:39 pm
by Emily-Elizabeth
Simon Knight wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 10:33 am Do you think it could help in refactoring the IDE stacks which are tortuous to work on by hand with no documentation?
I know they're "fun" to have to follow the logic and the lack of documentation does make them trickier. Claude seems pretty good at figuring things out though and I'm sure that it can refactor the code (and add comments too)

Re: Is LiveCode really trying to compete with AI products right now?

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2026 9:34 pm
by stam
Simon Knight wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 10:33 amDoes Claude Code comment its code and could simple example apps it creates be used as way of learning a language ?

Do you think it could help in refactoring the IDE stacks which are tortuous to work on by hand with no documentation?
Yes - if you go over a particular solution more than once it will automatically write memory files (in markdown). You can also tell it to remember a certain solution/algorithm/etc and it will.

It stores most memory files in each project folder but you can tell it you solved a certain problem and it will scour repos to get it.

As for LiveCode stacks, it can’t read binary files. If you’re using scriptOnlyStacks you’re golden; otherwise there will be a lot of copy/paste. Its biggest strength is with languages that use text files like c/c++ and swift - it just changes the files directly… hence I think I’ll finally dig more into swift when I get a chance to breathe… unfortunately my day job has other ideas…

If you have your code in text files, I’m sure it would refactor the code quickly but I’d keep a back up first just in case ;)
But even if it screws something up it will fix or revert the issue. It also keeps git commits…