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One alternative if is use a cheaper Windows box instead - and brand new. For example: https://www.geekom.co.uk/geekom-mini-it ... 9wQAvD_BwE they have much cheaper models as well.

If I’m honest, while I am a Mac user since 1987 and MacOS remains my preference, Win 11 is increasingly Mac-like and this would be much more future proof than a 2016 iMac (these are likely to be declared “obsolete” in a year or two and you won’t be able to further upgrade MacOS)… although admittedly a win box is not as nice

Oh, if I am going for something cheap then I won't have to buy anything at all as my late Dad's 2000 something Toshiba 32-bit laptop runs Debian 12 with XFCE and the last LC Community edition with no obvious problems beyond . . .

1. Slow.

2. Gets it knickers in a twist when trying to build Mac 64-bit standalones.

3. As soon as one connects an external, decent-sized monitor, it grinds to a speed which is too slow for anything at all.

As to 'obsolete': at 61 years old I am spending my spare time embroidering a protest banner with the word 'ageist' in the middle of it . . .

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With very many thanks to Bob Cole.

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With Big, Big thanks to Jacqueline Landman Gay.

Toujours gaie!

Obviously I will now be aiming for a slightly fancier model . . .

richmond62 wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:01 pm Oh, if I am going for something cheap then I won't have to buy anything at all as my late Dad's 2000 something Toshiba 32-bit laptop runs Debian 12 with XFCE and the last LC Community edition with no obvious problems beyond . . .

1. Slow.

2. Gets it knickers in a twist when trying to build Mac 64-bit standalones.

3. As soon as one connects an external, decent-sized monitor, it grinds to a speed which is too slow for anything at all.

As to 'obsolete': at 61 years old I am spending my spare time embroidering a protest banner with the word 'ageist' in the middle of it . . .

Not sure if that’s a response to my post - that link I posted is for a latest generation intel i7 with good amount of RAM/adequate drive space etc and ships with latest Windows OS. it doesn’t come with a monitor which is an extra expense unless u already have one. But the box itself would be 100-200 Lev cheaper that the 7-year old iMac. And brand new.

Also to be clear “obsolete” is a term Apple applies to their machines that are no longer supported and cannot be upgraded. I was peeved when my 2016 MBP was declared obsolete last year… so I’d have concerns about buying the iMac you’re proposing…
Nothing to do with “ageism”…

Nothing to do with “ageism”…

There was a joke in there somewhere.

To be honest, I do not like Windows at all.

AND; in spite of your link [to somewhere in Great Britain], I stay in the European Union, so would have to pay import tax.

Possibly for daft reasons: but, then, I don't like mushrooms or milk puddings either.

Also to be clear “obsolete” is a term Apple applies to their machines that are no longer supported and cannot be upgraded.

Indeed they do.

BUT, I do not require a machine that CAN be upgraded or is 'supported' by Apple. I need a machine that can do a few things on a list I have which none of my current machines can manage. That machine will 'do' me for a good 5-7 years from now as most of my target machines are Macs of that or earlier specs, or a variety of ill-assorted 'boxes' running a variety of Linux distros.

As my Devawriter Pro (my main thing) is FREE, if any one gets 'all peeved' that it will not run on a Mac ARM processor they can send me an ARM Mac or they can work out how to build a Mac ARM program from my [open source] code themselves.

Children in my school still go 'Wow!' and 'Gosh!' when they see my Polycarbonate PPC and Intel iMacs from 2005-6.
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With many, many thanks to Scott Morrow.

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With Very Many Thanks to Canela Software.

http://canelasoftware.com/

The machine came with MacOS 10.13 "High Sierra", but I am bumping it up to MacOS 12 "Monterey.
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Being my usual, naive, self, I tried to get it onto the 5G Wifi in my house . . . but, of course, no joy,
so just the 'bog normal' [fairly fast anyway] Wifi.

Wow: rummaging around in what my wife charmingly call, "One of your buckets of crap." I found 2 of these things that my younger son lobbed at me saying, "Dad, bung those in one of your buckets of crap."
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And, Hey-Presto: owing to the fact that my wife and 2 sons understand me perfectly, I can connect 2 extra monitors to my new beast should I wish to.
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Err . . . NO! . . . I want to connect 2 monitors.

Great you made it

Many, Many thanks to all donors [some, who not being LiveCode users, have not been mentioned by name] for this wonderful machine.