What with Unicode in 4.5?

[Maciej]

5 month ago I asked RunRev, when I will use Unicode and my national characters (non English) in RevEnterprise/Studio. Of course I think about easy, comfortable using, similar to real programing languages. I've got a message "You should be patien, you have to wait, we are working about it".
Today I've got an add about version 4.5 - is something new in this version? Is Unicode problem soluted?
Or is someone from RunRev on this forum and can answer me - WHEN it will be? In this year? Ten years after?

[FourthWorld]

While many aspects of Unicode are currently working well in the product, things like chunk expressions and right-to-left language input are still in development.

To address this required rewriting the field object, based as it was around a text engine designed for the Latin ISO 8859-1 character set. Given the central role this text engine plays throughout Rev, this is a non-trivial undertaking.

Originally, RunRev had anticipated being able to complete that revision in v4.5, since much of that work complimented the development efforts for the iPhone deployment system they were making.

Unfortunately, RunRev was among the many companies affected by Apple's unexpected and unprecedented reversal of their license terms in the iPhone SDK 4. RunRev had worked hard to comply with the terms of SDK 1, 2, and 3, but v4 radically limited the range of tools that can be used for iOS deployment - see Kevin's note on this here:
http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-bl ... -agreement

With that change the industry collectively lost billions of dollars of development investment, with companies from Adobe to Appcellerator to RunRev having their months of hard work made valueless overnight.

While RunRev remains quite viable in spite of Apple's decision, it's able to do so as other companies have had to do, by rearranging development priorities. Kevin has written about that here:
http://runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue9 ... etter1.php

The good news for us is that many aspects of the desktop, server, and Android engines are now being developed at a faster rate. But the bad news is that the text engine rewrite has been pushed back from v4.5 to v5.0.

In the meantime, if there are specific areas you're having trouble with please post them here and we'll see what we can come up with to help you complete your projects.

[Maciej]

Thanku you very much for you answer, but...

In the meantime, if there are specific areas you're having trouble with please post them here and we'll see what we can come up with to help you complete your projects.

...it is not solution. Please, believe me, I'm really grateful to you for your offer, but I'm wait for general, global solution. I wrote about all of this here: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtop ... =18&t=5040
I want to use Polish like in Delphi, C++, Access - whatever. Just write, read, sort etc. Without transcoding on the flay, extra variables et. J-u-s-t w-r-i-t-e. This is problem of all Slavik countries.

RunRev are sending me adds about wonderful servers, ad-ons, never-seen-mobile-version, animation module but bad basic functionality of this software kills this product. So... Thank you againt for your time and answer, but now I'm interesting in one thing. Only one. Unicode.

[Curry]

Apple slapped everyone upside the head as Richard noted. (I won't say more about that, thanks Richard for saying it!)

But rest assured that the feature will be coming. RunRev is a good company, and they do deliver. On the other hand, I think it's good when people bring attention to the basics such as this. That's good feedback that the field upgrade is important. Sometimes other flashy additions are discussed more by Rev users, but the field is a crucial feature because it's everywhere, no matter where or how you deploy, chances are you will use a field.

Maciej, if you need extra Unicode functionality for a project, hire me. I'm sure we could implement whatever you need. See my consulting signature link for contact info.

[ttbo]

This is a big problem for me. I want to write Arabic and other right-left languages in text fields. The best solution would be a check box in the inspector under the 'Text Formatting' option of a field where you could select right-left or left-right. This would make Arabic, Urdu, Farsi and Hebrew available for use with revStudio. PLEASE make this available soon! Thank you!

[Maciej]

Yeah! Magic transformation from RunRev to LiveCode, new hope! But all the time, the same old promises - immortal, everlasting 'We’re hard at work adding beautiful, seamless and complete Unicode support for a future version so please check back if you’re interested in that.'

Bullsh***....

[shadowslash]

Yeah! Magic transformation from RunRev to LiveCode, new hope! But all the time, the same old promises - immortal, everlasting 'We’re hard at work adding beautiful, seamless and complete Unicode support for a future version so please check back if you’re interested in that.'

Bullsh***....

It is not completely bullcrap... I understand that you feel enraged about the fact that Unicode isn't supported yet, but as Richard explained earlier on, the company suffered major bad impact from Apple's sudden change in its terms. They're trying to get up from falling down unexpectedly. All of us expect RunRev to give us satisfactory results in what we make using their program and I'm sure they're hard at work on it. As of now we just need to sit tight and hope for the best. It isn't that glum though because as Richard also said, the community can try to help out for the meantime.

[Mark]

ttbo,

I can help you creating a working RTL field. This is complicated and I can't do such work for free, but if you really need it, it can be done. Feel free to contact me http://qurl.tk/du

Kind regards,

Mark

[Maciej]

I know, I remember and I really appreciate community' help, but it is not solution. I won’t be contented with half measures.
But OK, could you give my one solution. If I use RunRev, my keyboard automaticly switch to EN. If I run any app made with RunRev, it change keyboard to EN!
I understand - working with text, transcoding etc. OK. But ***** from my keyboard!
And I DON'T KNOW why all others software can works without problems in non-English system. Apple - OK, it is your work, it is a bussiness and probably money are the most important. You have families, a bank loans.
But please, don't send adds for non-English user with "(...) for a future version so please check back if you’re interested in that". What future? In the December of 2012 we have end of the world, isn't it?
OK, it is off topic now and near flamewar. I'm waiting for the future...

[glhiii]

I can't use LiveCode, which I really like, without unicode as I have to deal with Indic languages (Tamil, Devanagari, transliteration). Any chance of rewriting it in cocoa? That would solve the problem and add all sorts of nice features built into the Apple code.

[Mark]

Dear glhiii,

You can use unicode in LiveCode. It just has its limits. You might want to give it a try.

Kind regards,

Mark

[bn]

Hi glhiii,

Richmond Mathewson did a sanskrit writer in Rev/Livecode making extensive use of unicode.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/33042/devawriter
there is also a link for a windows version on that page.

Edit:
this is Richmond's page for the devawriter
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterfree.html
there are the most recent versions free and pro for different systems.


regards

Bernd