Modern OSX window?

[Klaus]

To be sure:
You want to make your stack on macOS 13.x look like on macOS >= 15.x?

[Klaus]

Whatever the reason is for you, this is of course possible, but requires some screenshots of a macOS window
of your choice and a lot of work.

I did not do this and don't intend to do it in the future.

[stam]

This is a confusing thread. Modern windows?!

The statement 'modern windows do not have titlebar' is incorrect. You can (and have always been able to) have windows without a titlebar. Typically this would be a modal with no decorations, since without a title bar you cannot drag it.

I don't know if the OP is referring to something in the upcoming MacOS Tahoe, if that is the case please link to HIG and show examples from Tahoe.

[dunbarx]

Klaus.

Did you build that textEdit look-alike from scratch? Certainly doable, but unless I am ignorant of some very important LC feature, why did you?

Craig

[Klaus]

Hi Craig,

yep, that is completely functional and took me three whole days!

Just kidding, I only took a screenshot of an empty TextEdit doc to prove there is actually
no difference between a "modern"(?***) macOS window and a LC stack (window).

***At least what I think micmac may have meant.

Best

Klaus

[micmac]

When macOS went from 10,x to 11 the "modern" window was introduced without a grey titlebar

Mic

[dunbarx]

I cannot remember what I did this morning, much less what happened five years ago. Here is what ChatGPT says about Mac OS going from 10 to 11:

Here are the key changes:
Unified toolbar and titlebar: In many apps, the window title and the toolbar (the row with buttons/icons) were merged into a single, more streamlined bar. Instead of a distinct "titlebar" above a toolbar, they were blended together.
Reduced visual weight: Titlebars became flatter, more translucent, and less segmented with borders. This gave windows a lighter, more iOS-like feel.
Toolbar buttons: Buttons in the toolbar got rounder, with hover states and new spacing that emphasized simplicity.
Document title placement: For document-based apps (like Pages, Preview, or TextEdit), the document name shifted slightly in position and presentation. Some controls (like the proxy icon or lock icon) were hidden until hover, reducing clutter.
Traffic-light controls (red/yellow/green): The close, minimize, and zoom buttons were updated to be larger, more spaced out, and matched the new rounded design language.
So yes — the titlebar lost much of its old “separate strip at the top” look and became more integrated with the window contents in macOS 11 Big Sur.

[stam]

I was under the impression that LC uses whatever the OS provides - is that wrong?

[Klaus]

Nope, it's true!

[richmond62]

I find the word 'modern' to be totally empty of meaning:

1. My favourite cookery book is 'Modern Cookery', Lydia Chatterton, Odhams, 1933

(without that book I wouldn't know it was essential to boil cucumbers.)

2. My great-grandfather was so 'modern' that in 1902 he installed electricity in his house at Rothesay on the Isle of Bute (where, needless to say, he was Lord Provost, and a 'Pillock' of the Kirk). He specialised in Sabbatarian intolerance so much that when he died all his children became atheists.

So 'modern' windows make me think of the film Quadrophenia . .

and I'm a rocker!

[micmac]

Nope, it's true!

Only after Livecode 10

[Klaus]

No, this has always been the case, that is how applications work, the underlying OS provides windows and a lot more.
Even Metacard, the grandgrandfather of LC, worked this way back in 1999 when I started working with it.

[richmond62]

What's true from LC onwards?

[Klaus]

Why not take a look at the posting where that was my answer to, you rocker?