Support and Resources for LiveCode Beginners?

[stam]

YouTube is the place to do` this. *snip*

The ones I just saw there are old, but nevertheless have thousands of views. They just need to be updated, integrated, packaged and advertised.

I think my point isn't really being made.

It isn't about the quality of what is on YouTube or elsewhere. It's the scope.

You can find full courses on Python on YouTube for example - that take you "from zero to hero".

For LiveCode you'll get how to make a button click.

[dunbarx]

For LiveCode you'll get how to make a button click.

True, but that will at least not scare people away. That is a big obstacle, fear. And ending up with an address book after 15 minutes should intrigue and excite lots of them.

So who is looking for this sort of thing? Those who want to be professional programmers? At the other end of the scale, as HC was simply presented as a gift to anyone who bought a Mac in 1994, users who never thought about coding but decided to check it out? In the middle, coders, casual or pro, who are somehow intrigued by what they see in or have heard about LC?

Bottom line, each of those categories of users are out there. I think, with what LC looks like and can do so quickly at a basic level, there is much to be gained by the satisfaction of making that address book. The next step in drawing people in is to have a video where cool enhancements and fun gadgets are added to that stack.

Craig

[FourthWorld]

The User Guide included in the product if a great place to start. Bring any questions you have along the way here.

I agree the User Guide is a great resource - but it is a poor substitute for an educational tool that a new starter may want to gradually build their experience with. It's a reference; it's not a tutorial.

The OP asked how to learn LiveCode using materials on hand. I directed them to what they have in hand right now, and invited them to bring questions they will have along the way here so we can provide further guidance specific to their experience and interests

The OP did not ask my personal opinions about what an ideal set of learning materials might look like which don't currently exist, but I agree that might make an interest topic, different enough to merit its own thread.

[stam]

The OP asked how to learn LiveCode using materials on hand. I directed them to what they have in hand right now, and invited them to bring questions they will have along the way here so we can provide further guidance specific to their experience and interests

That's not exactly what I read in the OP:

What are the best resources (books, videos, courses) to learn LiveCode from basic to advanced?

The manual does a decent job in introducing the language, but will not take you from basic to advanced without an inordinate effort.
While well produced in parts, the user manual has terrible production values in others in spite the very helpful information.

It is an essential resource, but reading from start to end to learn the language is enough to make the eyes bleed even though you would be at high level if you could

There is a reason few people read this. It's not an easy read, in many places it looks amateurish and - from an educational point of view - it is task-focused and tackles tasks well, but doesn't provide structured learning.

What I understood from the OP from the quote above is something like the many Python tutorials on say YouTube, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DvywoWv6fI. It's fun to watch, (relatively) painless to learn from and builds a decent foundation in the language in just a few hours.

The point is this is an educational resource that helps the new user grow - whereas pretty much all existing LC tutorials are task-focused and not really coherent - the learner has to keep jumping to random resources to try to learn instead of being guided.

So in that sense, I would still recommend that Udemy course I linked earlier above, which would easily get an beginner to an intermediate level in a few hours (keeping in mind the OP specifically asked for books and courses, rather than what materials they had to hand). To take things further all these other bits (the existing LC tutorials, the user guide, the forums) are more helpful with the groundwork established.

And yes, this is my personal opinion - but not sure what other opinion a forum reader would provide...