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Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:34 pm

In LiveCodeNotes-9_6_2_rc_1.pdf it states this:
On 64-bit Windows installations, LiveCode runs as a 32-bit application through the WoW
layer.
So I started wondering what the 64 bit Windows version was.

Presumably the 64 bit Windows version runs as a 64 bit native application and it is the notes that need editing?

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by FourthWorld » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:28 pm

Internally, addressing is 32-bit. The interfaces used for OS compatibility may differ by platform, and I don't know the specifics here with Windows.

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:55 pm

My older son has a computer running Windows 10 64-bit and does NOT
wish to mess around with WoW or Win7 compatibility (neither of
which I pretend to understand) but wishes to run LiveCode
directly.

AND: are those notes now outdated?

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by LiveCode_Panos » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:35 pm

Hello all,

Yes, the release notes need an update. What they mention is true for the 32bit version of LC. The 64bit one runs as a 64bit native Windows app.

I'll file a report. Thanks for spotting this.

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:51 am

Super.

While I'm "here" I might as well ask a few 'funny' questions:

1. Why are you continuing to produce 32 bit Linux versions (when the number of 32 bit distros is
declining rapidly) when you are not producing 32 bit macOS distros?

2. The same sort of question about Windows 32 bit.

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:53 am

3. Why is the 'Compatibity' section of the Preferences stack still present?
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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by bogs » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:56 am

richmond62 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:51 am
Super. While I'm "here" I might as well ask a few 'funny' questions:
1. Why are you continuing to produce 32 bit Linux versions (when the number of 32 bit distros is
declining rapidly) when you are not producing 32 bit macOS distros?
2. The same sort of question about Windows 32 bit.
Erm, Richmond, I hate to say this, and as if you didn't know (or couldn't guess), I run many 32 bit versions of 'nix. Debian, certainly a major player in the 'nix sphere, still offers a 32 bit version of the os, as well as a 64 bit, so even though I don't use the current version of Lc, I certainly appreciate that it is available in a format I *might* use some day.
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I beg your pardon...
A large number of distros still follow suit, as one of the things 'nix is ideal for is making use of older hardware no longer considered valid or unable to run 64 bit OSes (and yes, I have quite a few boxes like that filling in the roles of local servers), and probably most importantly, the versions of Ubuntu that are officially supported by Lc are 32 bit as well.

On the Windows side, almost 1/4 of windows only computers are still running v7, and Windows only computers (still) make up the bulk of computers in desktop use. That piddly .24% of windows only computers using v7 surpasses the combined number of 'nix, mac, and chromebook systems out there.

While it might make sense to produce a 64 bit only version for Mac, whose Os since Catalina has only accepted 64bit apps, why wouldn't you produce 32 bit versions for those OSes that are able to use them?
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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:25 pm

Erm, bogs, I hate to say this, but I run LiveCode latest on a whole slew of cranky old machines
(some as old as 20 years) running Xubuntu 32 bit 18 point whatever, which I use for teaching short kiddy courses
every summer.

I am NOT poking LiveCode to drop 32 bit support for Linux.

What I am doing is poking LiveCode to see why they have dropped support for 32 bit Macintosh.

Obviously I was being "overly subtle" (which should make someone we know and love feel a bit funny).

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by bogs » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:34 pm

I don't do subtle, if it is short of a blunt object gob-smacking me right between the eyes, then I answer what I see :P

Running OSX 10.6.8, the latest Lc I can put on there is 8.1.8, so I'm a little perturbed that there isn't a suitable current Lc I can put on there as well. That is a suitable question, when put the amended way you did :twisted:
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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:37 pm

While it might make sense to produce a 64 bit only version for Mac, whose Os since Catalina has only accepted 64bit apps, why wouldn't you produce 32 bit versions for those OSes that are able to use them?
Hold on a tick . . .

My younger son has a MacBook that he is running Mac OS Mojave on because upgrading it to Catalina will 'fudge'
an awful lot of expensive DJ software he has invested in.

He reliably informs me that a very large number of people he knows run relatively "cranky, old" Macintoshes that
either are 32 bit only or work better with 32 bit than 64 bit software.

From a purely selfish point of view (and this should NOT really figure in any of LiveCode's global calculations), I could
replace my cranky old PCs with a lovely bunch of 2006 iMacs running Mac OS 10.7 ('Lion') which have socking great 17 inch screens
(far better than the 1024 x 768 flat things I picked up for $10 each about 7 years ago), and run ALL my EFL programs
(authored in LiveCode). The ONLY thing that is holding me back is that I should like to use the "latest and greatest"
incarnation of LiveCode for my annual teaching adventure.

"Our Man in Havana" will, inevitably trot out the usual stuff about support, plus have a dig at me for mentioning this again, again and again.

What would be interesting is not what "Our Man in Havana" says (mainly as we have heard it before), but whether there is interest
in 32 bit versions of LiveCode for Macintosh apart from mine.

I am prepared to believe that there are quite a few older Macintoshes chuntering away in schools that, were there up to date
32 bit versions of LiveCode, could be used for teaching purposes.
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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:38 pm

a blunt object
Thank you very much for what you have written about Windows. 8)

Oh; and where did you get that interesting picture?

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by bogs » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:43 pm

You beat me to it, but I appended my post as you were posting....
bogs wrote: Running OSX 10.6.8, the latest Lc I can put on there is 8.1.8, so I'm a little perturbed that there isn't a suitable current Lc I can put on there as well. That is a suitable question, when put the amended way you did :twisted:
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Oh; and where did you get that interesting picture?
If you mean the debian downloads page, I screen shot it :D
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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:53 pm

OK: now getting ever so slightly OT . . .

I wonder if my machines currently running the last available Xubuntu 32 bit version might do rather
better with up to date Debian + XFCE?

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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by bogs » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:56 pm

Hard to say for sure, Lc only supports (per the release notes)
- Debian 7 (Wheezy) and 8 (Jessie) [server]

Since the last available 32bit Ubuntu I know of was 16.x (yakkety and xenial), and those are comparable to the Debian (stretch and sid) versions, you are already past the supported versions of either Ubuntu or Debian.

Myself, I prefer Debian to Ubuntu for long term and stability (i.e. I don't need my os changing every month or so), however, YMMV.
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Re: Possibly outdated notes

Post by richmond62 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:00 pm

YMMV
Over here in Bulgaria we use Kilometres. 8)

And my mileage does not vary at all as none of my classroom computers are connected to the internet, and as such have not been
'updated' for at least a year.

As the only things those machines are ever used for is running my EFL LiveCode standalones and the LiveCode IDE for teaching
there is no obvious reason why they should 'ever' be upgraded at all.

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