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Livecode for AI?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:55 pm
by ajperks
Has anyone attempted to develop a neural network using Livecode.
I see on YouTube there are talks that show Python. Python is not something I want to learn. In any case, the neural network itself is usually a built item, controlled by another language.
Any advice or links would be most helpful.

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:37 pm
by bogs
The short answer is 'yes', but of course, it depends on how thorough of a nerual network your looking for, I suppose heh. One thread about this topic was this one.

Cyril also had a link to an AI article on his excellent set of pages https://sites.google.com/a/pgcps.org/livecode/home

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:10 pm
by ajperks
Thank you all for your links. On the face of it, Livecode is unlikely to be the answer to my needs.
I worked through the links and the subject varies from trivial to not realistic.
There is a trend towards 'black box' solutions, but I wanted to understand the process, not be a hamster turning the wheel.

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:45 pm
by bogs
I would keep in mind that your sole answer (mine), came from a person that does nothing with neural networks or a.i. heh, and so was probably doomed to fail to begin with.

Having said that, I'm not sure what would, for instance, be needed in a language for you to program said type of thing either. I don't think the above require for instance, grabbing input directly from hardware, which seems to be Lc's major caveat (shared by almost every other really high level language, btw.).

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:31 pm
by jacque
I knew someone who wrote a neural network in HyperCard, which was LiveCode's distant ancestor. That was many, many years ago but does show that the programming language isn't as important as the algorithms it drives. If you understand what needs to be done, I'm sure LC could do it. The hard part is knowing what needs to be done.

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:45 pm
by FourthWorld
There are many neural net packages available, many of them interfaceable from LC. Which one are you using?

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:47 am
by mrcoollion
FourthWorld wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:45 pm
There are many neural net packages available, many of them interfaceable from LC. Which one are you using?
Does anybody have a LC example where an external (preferable local installable on Windows) AI package is used? I am going to try and use Weka for this but if any of you have some examples or better ideas?

(Weka url: https://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/ml/weka/)

Regards,

Paul

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:27 pm
by FourthWorld
Does Weka provide a command line interface? If so you could get started with that today using LC's shell function.

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:34 pm
by mrcoollion
FourthWorld wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:27 pm
Does Weka provide a command line interface? If so you could get started with that today using LC's shell function.
Weka does have a command-line interface and my plan is to make use of this. Thanks for the suggestion.

Regards,

Paul

Re: Livecode for AI?

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:23 pm
by tomBTG
Pretty good and entertaining book for learning AI:
"You Look Like a Thing and I Love You" by Janelle Shane.
https://www.amazon.com/You-Look-Like-Th ... 07PBVN3YJ/

Tom B.