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Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:56 pm

As some of you may know, I'm trying to get some Pensioners "up and doing" right now, but there is one woman who
seems unable to download LiveCode to get started.
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I would be glad of any ideas about how to sort this out.

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by FourthWorld » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:38 pm

LC Ltd uses the Cloudflare CDN for downloads, and a few of us have encountered unusually long download times. It seems related to IP ranges, according to a set of rules known only to Cloudflare.

If that's indeed what's happening in this case, it may be useful to send a note about this to support AT livecode.com. They've been able to tune the CDN before, and may be able to reduce instances like this one.
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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:44 pm

Probably because that OP on the Pensioners thing lives in the United Kingdom where everything is state-regulated,
censored and throttled. Download times are awful and limited in a way I fail to understand.

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by dunbarx » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:38 am

I tried to download 9.5.1 from LC itself. The progress bars snailed along maddeningly. Halfway through I stopped and went to the actual page of all downloads, and the process took 40 seconds.

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:29 am

I pointed the OP on the Pensioners thing to the actual page of all downloads.

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by AxWald » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:39 am

Hi,
when I recently downloaded from http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode, my Waterfox browser on Win 10 behaved just as described:
- no information about the final size of the download
- no finishing of the download ("downloaded size" remains at final size, but DL doesn't end)

The DownThemAll! addon worked flawlessly, though.
Just tried 9.5.1 in Edge - final size of the download isn't shown. But it finishes, at least.

So CloudFlare doesn't behave like it should.
The lady in the OP may use a download manager - there's a FreeDownloadManager for Mac; for Win it works well, but I have no idea about the Mac version.

Have fun!
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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by FourthWorld » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:44 pm

AxWald wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:39 am
So CloudFlare doesn't behave like it should.
That does seem to be the case. When you experience these download delays, it's helpful to let the team know with an email to support AT livecode.com so they can further tune the CDN. It's helpful to their efforts to include your IP address in that communication.

As a mildly amusing side note, last year when I encountered severe delays in those downloads I discovered that if I shell into one of my servers in a different geographic region and download there with wget, they come in quickly. And once on that server, I can then grab them quickly from my server to my workstation here in my office.

Of course that's a silly workaround, offered more for amusement than guidance. But if nothing else it helped pin down some of the issues with the CDN, so it was at least somewhat helpful beyond cutting my download times by 80%.
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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:48 pm

"guidance"

Trying to give guidance to a retired lady "of a certain age" on the other side of Europe is both simpler
than what you suggest and a whole lot more difficult.

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by FourthWorld » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:19 pm

richmond62 wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:48 pm
"guidance"

Trying to give guidance to a retired lady "of a certain age" on the other side of Europe is both simpler
than what you suggest and a whole lot more difficult.
Why not just download it yourself and deliver it to her?
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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:09 pm

Why not just download it yourself and deliver it to her?
How would I deliver a 600+ MB download to a woman in Scotland from Bulgaria?

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by FourthWorld » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:21 pm

Dropbox, Nextcloud, OneCloud, iCloud, any web servers you might have...
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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:36 pm

Aha: Good idea. Thanks.

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Re: Dicky Downloads?

Post by richmond62 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:29 pm

The Macintosh, and 64 bit Windows and Linux Community installers for version 9.5.0 are
available here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

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