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What to do on a wet Saturday in November

Post by richmond62 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:26 pm

Lots and lots of things, but, if all else fails you could have a look at this: 8)

https://hypercardadventures.com/

I pondered over these for a bit, but have yet to reach any conclusions re nowadays:
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Re: What to do on a wet Saturday in November

Post by richmond62 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:43 pm

My biased view about what might be useful in a beginner's kit:
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Come on; disagree, agree, suggest, tell me that none of this is relevant to LC . . .

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Re: What to do on a wet Saturday in November

Post by richmond62 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:48 pm

I do think this sort of stuff would be useful for learners:
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Lots of pre-teens, in my experience, get stuck because they do not
really understand this; largely because these topics are not addressed
in an easily digestable fashion inwith the IDE.

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Re: What to do on a wet Saturday in November

Post by richmond62 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:10 pm

Admittedly this does look like a repackaged LC dictionary, but the way it is packaged might make it
more accessible to learners:
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Re: What to do on a wet Saturday in December

Post by richmond62 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:11 am

It was so wet I got the wrong month.

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Re: What to do on a wet Saturday in November

Post by Newbie4 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:43 pm

I agree with you. Even an outdated interface like that would be much welcome by beginners.

The LiveCode resources we have now are certainly very complete to the point of being exhaustive. We need simple. We need "baby steps" for newcomers.

It needs to address questions such as:
[indent]"Where do I start?"
"What do I do next?"
"What are some simple starter things that I can do?"
"I just want to make a xxxx or do yyyy"
"I need a short intro and ]ust the basics to get around"j[/indent]

Design it for a child, the adults will still use it. Have a short path to success. It is frustrating to want to do a simple thing but you have to look at an intimidating dictionary, many lessons, tutorials and even sample code to get the answer. (Look at the first documents/guides/lessons under resources on the LiveCode site. There is too much material to go through to get started.)

It is overwhelming. Too much - too soon, with too little actual results.

Thanks for the examples and bringing up the issue. The link that you provided https://hypercardadventures.com/ is a classic in design. Just going through the "HyperCard Tour" shows how to make learning a language easy.It gets the reader excited about working with the language and gives them enough to get started doing something useful.

Many people have downloaded LiveCode and tried it but it has not caught on with most of them. Maybe this is one of the reasons why. We need to look at getting started from the viewpoint of a beginner programmer and novice.

We need to critically look at why people aren't getting more excited about LiveCode. This might be one of the major reasons....
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Re: What to do on a wet Saturday in November

Post by richmond62 » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:07 pm

an outdated interface
Yes, it is horribly outdated, but it would be perfectly possible to provide an up-to-date
equivalent.

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