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Is this what we need?

Post by Newbie4 » Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:10 pm

I saw this in a post in the Computer Science Educators group on Facebook:
Join us! The University of Northern Iowa is pleased to announce the commencement of the summer 2021 offering of our popular online course "Introduction to Programming with Scratch." This course has been offered a dozen times since its initial offering in 2014 and has been completed by over 1500 teachers from at least 25 countries. It has been adapted for local use by several school districts including San Francisco Public Schools and Broward County Public Schools.
The course consists of approximately 25 hours of lecture videos, practice labs, and formal programming assignments completed at your own pace between now and July 23, 2021. It is available free for those looking for personal development. Graduate workshop credit is available (for a fee of $125) for those needing formal license renewal/PD credit (applicable in most states).
More information can be viewed at
https://csed.uni.edu/scratch-intro/
Look at the course description. It is nicely done. Having an Intro course on LiveCode aimed towards teachers would be a good start. I could see this being perfect for LiveCode.

Perhaps looking for grant money would be a good start? If LiveCode does not have the funds, perhaps we could get funding from CS groups or others? I proposed this a few years ago when I gave a presentation to teachers at a CS4HS convention. LC was mildly interested but did not offer ant support or encouragement. They do not see the long term advantages. With use in the classroom, students graduate to use it in their jobs which leads to sales in companies. As the language gains widespread attention and use in the schools, businesses look more seriously at it as a language because new hires are already trained in it. This is the best path for LiveCode to become a mainstream language or at least gain more attention in the media and in homes.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Is this what we need?

Post by bogs » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:58 pm

No suggestions, but it is an interesting thought.
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Re: Is this what we need?

Post by richmond62 » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:22 pm

They do not see the long term advantages.
Spot on.

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Re: Is this what we need?

Post by FourthWorld » Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:53 pm

How much grant money is handed out at the CS4HS convention?
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Re: Is this what we need?

Post by Newbie4 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:07 am

I do not know but there are many sources of grant money. LiveCode was not interested and had no resources to assign to it. They had other priorities.

I understand.
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Re: Is this what we need?

Post by FourthWorld » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:17 am

I'm asking for myself. I have an LC-based EDU CS learning environment in early design stage here, and a few years ago did extensive research on crowdfunding. What I learned is that crowdfunding isn't really the way to go for open source software. Have been considering grants, but have only pursued two, both rejected. Would consider others if I can justify the time.
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Re: Is this what we need?

Post by richmond62 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:08 am

Any source of financial support (well, just as long as it isn't politically compromised) for any Educational
outreach project has got to be good.

And, at the price of sounding like 'the heavy teacher', some of that money might best be invested in 'Free' seminars
for computer programming teachers from Primary and Secondary school where they are taught some basic stuff
in LiveCode, mainly so that they can see how shallow a learning curve LiveCode has in comparison with Python,
Java, C++ and C#.

If you want a 'quick-n-dirty' curriculum I can put one together in an afternoon on the basis of 7 years teaching
intro classes every Summer.

Here's a vague idea of the sequence of stuff in it:

1. Mucking around with numbers.
2. Mucking around with text.
3. Mucking around with images.
4. (Mucking around with sound).
5. Making images move.
6. Simple animation.
7. Simple game dev.

I normally manage to get reasonably bright kids to stage seven after about 16 hours.

The reason I have stage 4 in parentheses is that on the manky-franky Pentium IVs running 32-bit Linux I have
in my school sound does not enter into the picture. 8)

One would hope that the average computer teacher could see how one might do those things in a 90 minute session
explaining the basics.

---- Rant follows -----

And one thing I do know about Scratch is that children find it very difficult to apply any skills learnt with it
to another programming language, which is just not so with LiveCode.

One of the things that blows my mind about what people think about Scratch is that from working with it
children will learn computer programming. This is all the more surprising when on the Scratch website it states:

"Your students can use Scratch to code their own interactive stories, animations, and games. In the process, they learn to think creatively, reason systematically, and work collaboratively  — essential skills for everyone in today’s society. Educators are integrating Scratch across many different subject areas and age groups."

https://scratch.mit.edu/educators/

No mention of computer programming is made at all in the section for Educators.

Perhaps disingenuously it is mentioned in the section for parents:

"Scratch is a programming language"

https://scratch.mit.edu/parents/

Which begs the question.

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