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LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:09 pm
by dunbarx
I develop for desktop only. But I would love to make an app now and then that I can load "privately'" onto my iPhone.

Does LiveCloud bypass the travail of Apple and Android vetting? In other words, does it live on its own, so that I can "publish" to my own phone in a vacuum?

And could I further "publish' to other selected smartPhones?

I like vacuums. I am unnatural that way.

Craig

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:05 pm
by FourthWorld
LiveCloud as in the DB service from Canela Software?

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:11 pm
by dunbarx
LiveCloud as in the DB service from Canela Software?
Yes.

LiveCode has announced an Indy package that seems to include it. I was wondering if this was a "stand-alone" way to create an app, load it onto my iPhone and run it from there, bypassing the usual apple store stuff.

I understand the need to vet an app offered for sale. I never understood why I cannot create an iPhone app that runs only on my personal device. After all, I can "sell" apps that run on the desktops of others.

Craig

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:24 pm
by FourthWorld
LiveCloud is an add-on for LiveCode, not a replacement. It provides local database storage for free, with an optional paid plan for cloud sync.

You use it with LC similar to how you would use other DB options. So any requirements for app deployment remain unaffected.

Details available at the LiveCloud site:
https://livecloud.io/canelaDB/

That said, I hear you on the onerousness of deploying your own apps to your own iPhone. That's one of the reasons I use mostly Android - side loading is a breeze, like you actually own the phone you purchased.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:02 pm
by bogs
It maybe possible to side-load onto iOs, but of course you know I have no knowledge of mobile anything Craig.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:55 pm
by SWEdeAndy
I’ll just chip in that side-loading onto your own iPhone is a one-click business with the LC test button - but only if you have gone through the indeed onerous (and not free) process of getting an Apple Developer Account, creating a provisioning profile, collecting and registering UUIDs from the actual target phones etc).

That way, I and some family members (my drafted beta-testers :) ) have several apps of my design installed on their iPhones and iPads, without AppStore ever involved. But it’s probably not something you’d go through, or pay for, unless you have business with the iOS market in mind.

For making an app now and then, to be used just privately, it’s hardly worth it. Then Android is indeed so much easier (in that aspect).

Anyway, I stumbled into this thread because I was searching for opinions on LiveCloud.
Moving on… :D

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:27 pm
by richmond62
As far as I understand Cloud-based storage it is nothing more than a fancy way of avoiding
carrying a portable hard-drive in your pocket - and is totally useless when visiting your Uncle
in that village in the mountains where there is no internet.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:49 pm
by FourthWorld
richmond62 wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:27 pm
As far as I understand Cloud-based storage it is nothing more than a fancy way of avoiding
carrying a portable hard-drive in your pocket - and is totally useless when visiting your Uncle
in that village in the mountains where there is no internet.
It's also a platform-independent way of syncing data across devices. But that's another topic.

LiveCloud is a database for LiveCode developers.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:29 am
by bwmilby
One clarification... you can push an app to your iOS device for free, but it only works for a week at a time.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:45 am
by richmond62
It's also a platform-independent way of syncing data across devices.
So is a portable hard-drive in my pocket . . . think about it! 8)
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Richmond posts predictably ancient retro-tech example. :D

This is also amazingly useful:
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Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:32 pm
by sphere
I'm not seeing the advantage of Livecloud over sqlite for local storage. Not even over the use of your own DB which you might have on your own webspace.
Also it's not bad to learn the basics of sql. They can help, because it's used almost everywhere on databases. Also many like to know that their info is stored in their own country.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:14 pm
by simon.schvartzman
@bwmilby, regarding your clarification
... you can push an app to your iOS device for free, but it only works for a week at a time.
If I'm not mistaken this is not the case if you use Apple Configurator 2 to load the App into the target device. I guess there is no time limit with such approach.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:11 pm
by bwmilby
By free I mean that you have not obtained a paid developer account. XCode will generate a cert that is only valid a week at a time. If there is another way, I would like to know. I’ll probably end up paying soon enough though.

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:23 pm
by simon.schvartzman
I see what you mean, I was focused on how to avoid all the Apple approval process ...

Re: LiveCloud

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 7:47 pm
by gagsoft
what if one has an Apple Developers account?
Can one just deploy without any restrictions?
Another thing that concerns me is the monthly subscriptions.
In my part of the world it can be dicy.
The exchange rate can kill you in one month.

Best
Peter G