richmond62 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:47 am
I'm not here to argue, or trash LC. In fact, I love LiveCode and recommend it fairly often, but I still think both of my criticisms in this thread are valid.
The "only" problem is that any time one levels even a slight criticism against LiveCode, however well-intentioned it is, umbrage is taken.
Your attempt to conflate two different things is self-evident. ClipArtGuy did not mislabel a cost estimation issue as a form of willful dishonesty. Accordingly, nothing in my reply to him addressed that, because he made better choices in which such unfair accusations were absent.
If you're uncomfortable with having your choice of words called out for what it is, make different choices. That's something only you can do. You can own your words, you even have the freedom here to revise your words, but you cannot expect others to be responsible for your words.
Consider asking questions when questions are what you have, and so many communications will become simple and productive.
The end result of this is that people will stop giving this kind of feedback and those problems will continue.
In this thread, "those problems" are related to cost estimation. Industry-wide, a non-trivial problem, one even Steven McConnell can only assist with but not completely solve. No one here has offered any guidance on improving software estimation process.
Your sentence also represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes actionable feedback in the LiveCode community. I've addressed this before, and like most of what I write here it was ignored or forgotten. So rather than presume this is the one day something I write will matter to you, I'll instead merely reiterate it for the benefit of newcomers who may stumble across this thread:
These forums are provided for user-to-user support among members of the community learning to master LiveCode. While members of the core dev team do occasionally show up here as time permits, most of their time is spent developing LiveCode, so their participation here is relatively rare compared to other community members who volunteer significant time to help others. If you have a question other community members can answer about using LiveCode to develop applications, you're in one of the best places on the planet for that.
If you encounter technical or design issues, or have suggestions for enhancing the LiveCode product, you can submit those directly to the team in the database established for that:
If you have the time, skills, and interest to resolve issues directly in the product, you are encouraged to participate in the product development at the Github repository where the code base is managed:
If you have suggestions for specific improvements to LiveCode's business operations, you can submit those directly to the company for forwarding to the appropriate personnel here:
support AT livecode.com
These forums also provide "Off Topic" and other sections for general discussion. Moderation in these forums is unusually light compared to nearly any other large open source projects, and members almost never have any comments edited or deleted. So if you just want to blow off some steam without expecting anything consequential to come of it, sharing with the other members in the appropriate sections can accomplish that.
If you want to participate in shaping the direction of the LiveCode product or the company, the methods outlined above for reaching them directly will be your best options.
This argues a certain level of immaturity at the top.
::sigh:: I cannot understand how such a line can originate in a mind as intelligent as yours. First, it's a non-sequitur. Second, no one from whatever you mean by "the top" is even participating in this thread, so to judge non-participants by your reaction to participants is illogical, and therefore unfair.