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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:53 pm

Other good news is that LC is back on the TIOBE Index, making this the first year I can recall that it's been there at least have the months of the year so far:
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

Considering that there are many hundreds of languages, and that many alternatives to LC aren't on the TIOBE Index at all and haven't been for years, this is a very positive indicator.
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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by bogs » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:08 pm

I thought from the way you were talking, it finally broke the top 50 on the list :lol:
Tiobe page wrote: The ratings are calculated by counting hits of the most popular search engines
While I suppose it is as good a measure as any other (I also read a lot about why it isn't :P ), like all else in the world wide time waster it could just as easily be crud. I agree though, it is nice to see it on (any) list.
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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by sphere » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:25 pm

Well there is some news, if you go to the download site then you get an offer to try the Indie version for some day.
I don't know exactly, but looks nice to create some closed executables then.
:D :o :) :shock: 8) :lol:

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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by richmond62 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:40 pm

The ratings are calculated by counting hits of the most popular search engines
That's pretty, bl**dy silly: I looked up "Hanoverian supporters" loads of times
when I was doing a project on how the English hired Hessian mercenaries
to kill and rape as many Highland women as they could find in the aftermath of Culloden.

This does NOT mean I have any time for Hanoverians.

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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by sphere » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:57 pm

i see labview too on that list, but that aint a language. It's pulling lines from one to another(can be still very difficult this program). And the executable then is a C++ or C type.
:D :o :) :shock: 8) :lol:

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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by tomsve » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:01 pm

Just a quick look at the number of blog posts on livecode.com;

2016: 51 blog posts
2017: 11 blog posts
2018: 3 so far...

:|
If this trend will continue - what can we expect from LC next year?

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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by richmond62 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:04 pm

Where did Fraser go?

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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:08 pm

tomsve wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:01 pm
Just a quick look at the number of blog posts on livecode.com;

2016: 51 blog posts
2017: 11 blog posts
2018: 3 so far...

:|
If this trend will continue - what can we expect from LC next year?
If we're willing to pay them to write blog posts instead of code they may be willing to slow down coding to do that. As it is, a better understanding of their focus can be gain by looking at the Github pull requests for the project, and release page:

https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pu ... 2%9C%93&q=
https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

But if you enjoy the blog, please know that they love guest blog posts. Write to support AT livecode.com to arrange.
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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:10 pm

sphere wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:57 pm
i see labview too on that list, but that aint a language. It's pulling lines from one to another(can be still very difficult this program). And the executable then is a C++ or C type.
One could say that about all scripting languages as well, since they're pretty much just glue between routines compiled in C/C++.
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Re: LiveCode Marketing Suggestions

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:11 pm

As long as we're still doing thread necromancy on this one, I've change the OP title to better reflect that actual discussion.
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Re: Is livecode dead?

Post by FourthWorld » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:12 pm

richmond62 wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:04 pm
Where did Fraser go?
I believe Canada was mentioned in a post on the use-livecode list.
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Re: LiveCode Marketing Suggestions

Post by richmond62 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:33 pm

I believe Canada was mentioned in a post on the use-livecode list.
Thanks: I missed that posting.

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Re: LiveCode Marketing Suggestions

Post by bogs » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:15 pm

richmond62 wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:40 pm
That's pretty, bl**dy silly: I looked up "Hanoverian supporters" loads of times
And if there was a programming language called "Hanoverian supporters", you alone might have made it hit the list :wink:

Like I said, I can see the reasoning behind the metric, however even someone as unsophisticated as myself can see the failings behind it. Just like websites that report how many hits they have seen from browser 'x', which I believe was part of the reason I.E.6 stayed up there so long as a top browser, as many sites at the time only worked properly with 6, and other browsers at the time could tell the site they actually were I.E.6 so the site wouldn't just shut them out.

As well, many times, how often you might need to search for something will depend on how completely the built in help works. I think *Delphi, **VB, and the earlier versions of RB were near the pinnacle in their language references, the help systems were complete enough that I rarely ever had to go look something up. Contrast that with C/C++, js, and some others which were horrible beyond the basics, I wish there had been a web search back then equal to the task :roll:

Lc doesn't require much searching to figure out once you get to a certain point, and other languages like it are likely not searched a lot either except to do very specialized things, so pointing to that metric doesn't necessarily tell the whole story, it more likely says (to me at least) that the top languages are so complicated people need a lot of help with them.

* Delphi - v5-7, somewhat similar in Turbo Delphi - expansive help system, tutorials, examples and boiler plate code that could be lifted directly to your program, very full explanations on most topics.
** VB - pre .net era. The help that came with Visual Studio 5/6 was FAR above and beyond most help systems of the time.
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Re: LiveCode Marketing Suggestions

Post by jameshale » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:03 am

Only mention of Fraser and Canada was an appearance at a user group years ago.
Re: Is livecode dead?
FourthWorld » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:12 am
richmond62 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:04 am
Where did Fraser go?
I believe Canada was mentioned in a post on the use-livecode list.

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Re: LiveCode Marketing Suggestions

Post by richmond62 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:47 am

I went to a boarding school for boys (hated it) and the place was such a happy establishment that the Headmaster saw fit to expel about 10 boys a year (10 from 300). Boys only get themselves into situations where they will b expelled when they want 'out'.

This headmaster ran the school like a model of Orwell's "1984".

When a boy was expelled all references (team lists, class lists, and so on) were instantly expunged and no one
was allowed to breath his name: he had never been at the school.

My best friend was expelled (I missed the opportunity as I was at home with my parents having a mini-breakdown caused by bullying at the school), and, meeting him 3 years later he told me that that was the proudest achievement of his life.

My friend was not called 'Fraser'.

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