Study the percentages in the Ratings column.
Then let's discuss ways we can create together the world we want to work in.
A first step would be to check the way tiobe works
Basically the calculation comes down to counting hits for the search query
I judge the results of tiobe by this most complex and sophisticated algorithm - but maybe just a slight change to the current forum page headers:
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<meta name="keywords" content="" />
<meta name="description" content="" />
would already help a bit?
There are two communities.
Many of the more experienced LC users don't use the forums, they use the list at
[...]. Livecode employees are more likely to be seen on the list than here on the forums.
For sure, these aren't counted at tiobe too, nor are they visible for coders judging a potential new tool by the forums.
Btw., the list is funny to read sometimes. From the thread
(?) Richard mentions above:
Peter M. Brigham wrote:My impression is that this is different now from the past. I recall loads of questions from beginners a couple years ago. I don't follow the forums (maybe I should check them out) so I was unaware that beginner questions have now migrated there. My mistake.
Yep, everything was different in the past. Back then, when men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
I remember to have heard of "mailing lists" back then - but this was, too, the time when the Usenet became widely available, and everybody and its Mac was happy not to have to read these dreaded quote orgies anymore - comp.sys.mac.hypercard.*, MacSOUP etc. anyone?
Must have been in the late 80's/ early 90's ;-)
Maybe someone could give these guys an update, and kindly ask them to join the community of 2016? I was very tempted to do so myself, but I couldn't bring myself to write to them of the new times - I have, when reading there, a picture before my eyes like Sid of userfriendly.org, of nice, venerable veterans with long beards, cobwebs between them & keyboard, still discussing the assets and drawbacks of the SE and the Plus ...
But their hiding in their cosy seclusion actually hurts LiveCode, IMHO.
mwieder wrote:I no longer even try to bring up LiveCode for discussion at work. It's just been a losing cause too many times for me.
What we have at the moment is, IMHO, disastrous:
- Web pages that showcase LC as just another bigmouthed toy to make apps for iGadgets only
- two "stable" versions 8.* that can be considered open beta at best, and a bunch of new updates, bugfixes, RC and DPs every other day
- the only half ways stable versions (late 6 & maybe one of the 7) marked as "obsolete"
- the obvious will of RunRev not to provide a stable working tool for production, but always to chase the flavor of the month - features instead of bug fixes, and Mobile & Apple always first, and anything else nearly forgotten
- and a constant spam in the mailbox of "buy this, buy that, before it's too late!!!"
This sounds harsh, I know. But this is an impression you can easily get of LiveCode.
Wouldn't there be the community edition, I'd run screaming - there's nothing RunRev offers me that would make sense to me: $699 per year
(soon coming: $999) with a revenue limit (do they want my yearly tax data, really?), and not even a working, supported production version available?
And I don't need no fragglin' courses nor webinars, a working, complete language reference would already do ...
Enough for one post. Thx for reading, and have fun!
Livecode programming until the cat hits the fan ...