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bogs
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What is old is new again...

Post by bogs » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:45 pm

I managed to get an express edition of Lc 2.2.1 for linux with greatly appreciated assistance (you know who you are, and I really can't thank you enough for that!!). I must say, a LOT about this is really awesome, and comparing the editions I now run has really been an enlightening experience, mostly in the 'whats changed and what hasn't' areas.

One thing I immediately noticed is that the older versions were really geared towards helping people learn the environment and language in a number of ways that don't really exist anymore. Some of what I consider to be the 'standout' features include (but are not limited to, and in no particular order) -
  1. Tips -
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    this can be set to pop up in any number of ways, or not at all. FANTASTIC feature I could not find any way to enable in current (6-8) versions.
  2. Documentation -
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    The main documentation window. While the newer versions have a form of this, they are all sadly lacking in ease of use compared to this form of the documentation. Documentation you can search like you would the dictionary, documentation by category (beats the pdf hands down), really incredibly useful ways to search for something and actually find what your looking for.
  3. Examples Cookbook (!!) -
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    Priceless having examples that actually work and are well explained.
  4. Trouble Shooting -
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    Priceless, simple concise explanations about why things might not be working.
  5. Glossary - self explanatory greatness.
  6. Tool Palette -
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    drop down menus for controls that can be set up many ways, like the button, scrollbar, option menus, allowing you to skip having to go to the inspector to set the option of which you want.
  7. Script Editor -
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    no tabs, but has a form of autocomplete. From my point of view, for new users, it lets new users learn about the language and new terms by telling them what is available for a given set of letters. This feature has been re-introduced after going missing a LONG time.
  8. Many more platforms stand alone settings -
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    Obviously this edition was only intended for (Novell) Linux, which is where I'm using it from, however you can get an idea of just how many other platforms were available at the time. I still work with a number of these, and sure wish I had the engines to target for them now.
Some things I think the newer versions had that I really miss when in the older versions -
  1. Minor - tabs in the script editor - I actually don't miss this feature as much as I initially thought I might, since the scripts all open in a new window, but sometimes I forget that heh.
  2. Not so minor - Shortcuts such as 'ctrl + enter' to apply a script.
  3. Project Browser - I see now why so many of the 'longer than I users' are always talking about the application browser, and I do find that useful for somethings, but I tend to use the PB far and away more often.
  4. Minor - Tool Palette - having the control you select dragging to the stack instead of having to free draw it. Just nice to have, to get similar in the older IDE you can use the message box to create a button, but you loose that nice drop down menu feature.
  5. Not so minor - Behaviors, although I haven't explored these extensively, I do understand their value as an addition to the language, thank you in large part to Jacque's useful and thorough explanations. A form of this is available in 2.2.1, but not in the same way as later editions.
I've only been using this a short time at this point, but those are the things that jump out at me. Any thoughts about things we have lost/gained ?
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ValiantCuriosity
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Re: What is old is new again...

Post by ValiantCuriosity » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:03 pm

Fantastic comparisons of the versions. Although, I've never really learned LC, I certainly enjoyed reading your thoughtful comparison.

Thanks,
-Rachel
May I never be cured of my curiosity! :D

bogs
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Re: What is old is new again...

Post by bogs » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:51 am

Thank you for the kind words.

I find it too bad that the documentation aspect of these can't be exported, as I am sure it would lessen the learning curve and pain for newcomers to the language. I know I would have loved to use it myself when I started, it might have cut my number of attempts by a LOT :)

I hope your finding it easier to get around in Lc now, though. Remember, any questions you have should be promptly answered if we can, you almost never should feel like your going it alone here.
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