Will HTML5 development continue?

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Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by arombauts » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:17 pm

Hello there...

I notice they are very few messages in this area... :-(
Although I'm an "old" user (yes, I'm also an aged person), I 've never investigated the web app solution.

After some testing, I found using a LC app on the web is rather limitating. Not being able for instance to input data in a text field is a pitty. Using the 'ask' method is really annoying.

Are they plans to go further in HTML5?
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by FourthWorld » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:53 am

While I don't have specific enhancement timelines, the team remains committed to the HTML deployment option.

That said, it will always be somewhat limited given the vastly different natures of native apps and web apps.

If the current implementation isn't satisfying for your project's needs, it may he helpful to explore other options as well. Can you tell us a bit about your project and what you're looking for with web deployment?
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by [-hh] » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:16 pm

Yes, even basic things like getting modifiers, scroll a field and more-than-7bit-ascii keyboard support are still missing.
So, currently one needs some javascript code to get a medium advanced stack running in HTML5. (I wrote some free helpers for that.)

On the other hand you have the option to take the best of both worlds. That's not a limited solution, that's *far more* than the old fashioned lc-server or cgi solutions etc.

For example image processing by using the GPU via javascript together with the GUI of LC (which is more powerful and easier to use than some very large JS libraries) has become a very powerful tool.
Look at some of my newer HTML5 examples here http://hyperhh.de/html5/large-index.html
and you will see at least a few things you haven't seen done by other LC tools or pure javascript/HTML5.

You ask for plans to go further in HTML5? I fervently hope so.

And, if you can afford it, please support it by bying a HTML5 license. That's the way to realize wishes.
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by arombauts » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:44 pm

Hello both of you !

Thanks for your replies...

-hh, I got a HTML5 licence (recent)... :-)
So do you mean that with added javascript I could for instance present a text input field inside the HTML5 canvas?

I made some testing so far, but strangely, I'm unable to launch my web app from the .html file generated by LC. More strangely it is working inside an iFrame in a Wordpress post page...

The reason why I'm looking for a web solution is that I'm developping e-learning modules for young chidlren. Using the web, they won't it won't require them to setup a software; moreover, they could use it anywhere: at school, at home.
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by richmond62 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:09 pm

e-learning modules for young chidlren.
In which language? (Obviously not in English)

Why, as a teacher of 32 years standing am I unconvinced of the efficacy of e-learning?

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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by [-hh] » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:40 pm

Yes, it is possible.

Here is a native rich text field: http://hyperhh.de/html5/HTML5Field_v106-9.5.0X.html
And here http://hyperhh.de/html5/html5IDE.html
are native plain text fields (still a bit slow because these are six standalones):
the scriptEditor, the properties field of the property inspector, the search field of the dictionary, the field of the message box.

You can cut/copy/paste there and have it in the system clipboard. You can also drag&drop between these fields (which are in different standalones).

@Richmond.
Recently you made a great fuss about posts (related to karmacomposer) who didn't "hit" the topic.
So please, start now yourself a new thread about thoughts that are far from the topic ...
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by richmond62 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:47 pm

@-hh

OK

although . . . 8)

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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by arombauts » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Hello Richmond,
richmond62 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:09 pm
In which language? (Obviously not in English)
No, in LC... :-)
Indeed, in French only...
richmond62 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:09 pm
Why, as a teacher of 32 years standing am I unconvinced of the efficacy of e-learning?
This is not really the place to talk about this... It would lead to long threads...
But, yes e-learning can be efficent. Not in any situations.
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by arombauts » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:36 pm

Thanks, -hh,
[-hh] wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:40 pm
Yes, it is possible.
Here is a native rich text field: http://hyperhh.de/html5/HTML5Field_v106-9.5.0X.html
And here http://hyperhh.de/html5/html5IDE.html
I'll have a look on this later in the week. Thanks again...
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by FourthWorld » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:08 pm

Will the learning materials produced be proprietary or open source?
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by [-hh] » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:42 pm

@FourthWorld
You also made recently a great fuss about posts (related to karmacomposer) that didn't "hit" the topic.
What has your question to do with the current topic?
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by FourthWorld » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:22 am

[-hh] wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:42 pm
@FourthWorld
You also made recently a great fuss about posts (related to karmacomposer) that didn't "hit" the topic.
What has your question to do with the current topic?
I have parts of tools I may be motivated to complete which could be useful for the OP's goals, provided there is license compatibility.
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by arombauts » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:17 pm

FourthWorld wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:08 pm
Will the learning materials produced be proprietary or open source?
I have not thought about this so far...
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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by golife » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:27 pm

Thank you -hh (Hermann) for showing us the possibilities that the HTML5 LiveCode allows. I am really impressed by your online stacks. They are working well on my Windows desktop using Google Chrome browser.

http://hyperhh.de/html5/html5IDE.html
http://hyperhh.de/html5/HTML5Field_v106-9.5.0X.html

I want to explore the possibilites further. There is a huge need for web applications, and at least for us LiveCoders it is much easier if we could develop professinally using LC instead of resorting to JavaScript and other languages.

I admire your skills.

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Re: Will HTML5 development continue?

Post by arombauts » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:58 pm

arombauts wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:44 pm
I made some testing so far, but strangely, I'm unable to launch my web app from the .html file generated by LC. More strangely it is working inside an iFrame in a Wordpress post page...
Read my other thread about this: https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=33427
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